Even in the apostles day there was a a sense of urgency
Ask him of what benefit is 2000 years of " urgency" for humans with a 70 year life expectancy.
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The CO says --
by stillajwexelder inthe co has said in his latest talks "some have lost their sense of urgency and the organization is worried about it" .
even in the apostles day there was a a sense of urgency
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New 607 info?
by startingover ini just discovered something i have not seen anywhere before.
i was looking at my old "all scripture inspired" book, and i say old because it was the first edition from 1963 and i had used it for years.
according to the wt cd there were revisions in 1983 and 1990. i came across this little goodie under the book of daniel.
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P.S. Leolaia,
I just don't feel comfortable with basing an argument on a known error.
Most parents will tell you that a number of their arguments with their children are based on a known error. The children know it; we, as parents, know it, but the argument has to occur anyway.
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New 607 info?
by startingover ini just discovered something i have not seen anywhere before.
i was looking at my old "all scripture inspired" book, and i say old because it was the first edition from 1963 and i had used it for years.
according to the wt cd there were revisions in 1983 and 1990. i came across this little goodie under the book of daniel.
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Especially focus on what matters more to their interest than mine.
You may have to elaborate on this for me. Their interest, IMO, is to convert you to their thinking.
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New 607 info?
by startingover ini just discovered something i have not seen anywhere before.
i was looking at my old "all scripture inspired" book, and i say old because it was the first edition from 1963 and i had used it for years.
according to the wt cd there were revisions in 1983 and 1990. i came across this little goodie under the book of daniel.
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Leolaia,
It is an erroneous assumption on the Society's part that Ezekiel discusses the hero of the book of Daniel.
Be that as it may, if you're going to have a discussion with JWs, it usually has to be on their terms. And, as stated, they have committed that the Daniel of Ezek. is Daniel. So-let's play their game.
Their chronology is also fatally erroneous.
We're on the same team here.
Now I don't believe it is prudent to play one error off another; we should rather expose error through known facts. Otherwise, the argument would simply be based on a red herring.
Everyone has their own game/strategy. I doubt you'd find many here with loved ones still in that would tell those they are trying to 'get out' that the Bible is based simply on myths. And how many witnesses have you ever met that have looked at the spelling in Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek the word Daniel.
There is an audience here for your work. As stated privately to you, I am a fan. But to talk to the average 'joe witness', I'm afraid that the 'glazed-over' look would show up a lot sooner in your conversation with them of Daniel than mine.
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New 607 info?
by startingover ini just discovered something i have not seen anywhere before.
i was looking at my old "all scripture inspired" book, and i say old because it was the first edition from 1963 and i had used it for years.
according to the wt cd there were revisions in 1983 and 1990. i came across this little goodie under the book of daniel.
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Leolaia,
I was addressing startingover's observations on the WT spin on scripture. Most JWs aren't going to be receptive to ancient myths and legends as influencing the Bible, even if true. For me, to talk to these people, you have to buy in to their beliefs and chronology, then pose questions to them that raise doubts about the problems that their statementsand chronology create.
As shown by the superscript notation that I stated, it's obvious that to the WTBTS, the Daniel of Ezekiel is the one and only Daniel of the book of Daniel. Whether I believe it or not, when talking to a JW, to allow the conversation to progress with them, I allow myself to say, "OK, Dan. 2:1 is the 2nd year of Nebuchadnezzar in regard to his becoming king of Jerusalem. But hey, doesn't this create a problem over here in Ezekiel where he says..."
Since there are JW lurkers here, I wanted to post in a way where they can reference their own literature without having to resort to 'pagan' sources and perhaps go hmmmmm.
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New 607 info?
by startingover ini just discovered something i have not seen anywhere before.
i was looking at my old "all scripture inspired" book, and i say old because it was the first edition from 1963 and i had used it for years.
according to the wt cd there were revisions in 1983 and 1990. i came across this little goodie under the book of daniel.
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startingover,
I've wondered if they became a bit more vague about Dan. 2:1 because of the chronological conflict the statement creates with Ezekiel.
In the "All Scripture" book under Ezekiel, they list what year it is under nearly every subheading. Using their chronology, Ezek. 24:1 (9th year) is 609. Ezek. 29:1 (10th year) is 608.
Sandwiched in between these chapters is this pronounciation against the king of Tyre: "look! you are wiser than Daniel. There are no secrets that have proved a match for you." (Ezek. 28:3) In the large print NWT, a reference superscript for "Daniel" points to Daniel 2:48.
The closest year identifier for Chapter 28 is Ezek. 26:1 (11th year). No month is given, so by WT chronology, it should be 608 or 607 depending on how Ezekiel reckons the start of his exile; leaving Jerusalem (Adar), arriving at his city of exile, or just using the Jewish calendar where the month mentioned is the actual month of the year.
How has Daniel gained so much fame that he requires no explanation as to who he is in a declaration to a foreign king (Tyre) in 608/7 when he (Daniel) hasn't been faced with Nebuchadnezzar's 1st dream yet in 606/5? Even Nebuchadnezzar doesn't consider him as capable at this point since Daniel was not brought before the king, but instead Daniel seeks the king out; and not to reveal the dream, but to ask for time. So, Dan.1:17 seems to be a segue to Chapter 2 and Daniel doesn't yet have the dream interpreting ability until his prayer in chap. 2.
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Favorite Long Song
by Nosferatu inwhat is your favorite long song?
here are some of mine:.
kashmir - led zeppelin (over 8:00).
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Jimi Hendrix---1983 (A Merman I Should Turn To Be)
For me, an apocalyptic masterpiece that soothed while he sang of our demise.
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searching for Weapons of Mass Destruction
by no one ingo to google:.
http://www.google.com/.
type in 'weapons of mass destruction' in the search window.
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Go to google:
Type in 'weapons of mass destruction' in the search window. Hit the 'I'm Feeling Lucky' button.
The error message that displays is a must-read. Love that Brit humor.
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KM announcement - register with US Selective Service
by truthseeker inabout twice a year, the kingdom ministry features an announcement about registering with the us selective service system.. in the march km, the announcement reads like this.... u.s. selective service regulations require that all men register at the post office within 30 days after reaching 18 years of age.
a male noncitizen under the age of 26 who takes up residency in the united states must also register with the selective service within 30 days of becoming a resident.
from the time he registers until the year he turns 26, a brother must notify selective service of any change of address within ten days of the change.
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both these "draft" bills are protest bills to the President's current war policies and they have no shot of passing.
I merely stated what bills were pending in relation to the draft to illustrate that the situation that happened to Farkel and others in the 60s/70s may be about to occur again. And I agree with the following statement by you up to a point:
I sympathize with what they're trying to accomplish, but I disagree with the principle of mandatory military service unless it is absolutely necessary.
It should never be absolutely mandantory that someone should have to serve, regardless of your country of origin, beliefs, etc. Just because a government wiggle-worms itself thru subversive actions into a dangerous situation without consulting me (and giving me the right to vote is NOT consulting me) gives them no right to expect me to help bail them out when such decisions go awry.
However, Shrub (aka Bush) is losing popular support for US troops being in Iraq and for the decisions for this war in general. As the maimed and dead mount from this war, fewer volunteers will result. As peers with missing limbs and thousands of family members and relatives spread the negativity of war due to their own personal losses, mandantory service is a definite possibility.
As a Vietnam veteran (and I was drafted), I witnessed the visual and emotional effectiveness of loss of life/limbs on those who had yet to serve; among friends, family, and finally the nation as the death toll rose. Iraq is still a young war and, like Vietnam, this one ain't WWII either. For the most part, this nation is no longer capable of making the sacrifices that were made in the 40s. We have become too selfish. Although it's a nice catch-phrase, it's no longer 'the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one'.
Forgive me for turning this political. Political threads suck. I've served my time. I've killed the enemy of my country; an enemy I personally had no grievance with. If you've done the same, you'll understand my resistance to pursue this thread further.
Edited to add: apologies to heathen. It was not my intention to imply that the 'Khan' phrase was from the 40s. One other note - the word "draft" is never used in the 'bills' mentioned. Sorry if I misled.
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KM announcement - register with US Selective Service
by truthseeker inabout twice a year, the kingdom ministry features an announcement about registering with the us selective service system.. in the march km, the announcement reads like this.... u.s. selective service regulations require that all men register at the post office within 30 days after reaching 18 years of age.
a male noncitizen under the age of 26 who takes up residency in the united states must also register with the selective service within 30 days of becoming a resident.
from the time he registers until the year he turns 26, a brother must notify selective service of any change of address within ten days of the change.
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There are 2 bills now pending to bring back the draft: HR163 and S89. Info here:
Universal National Service Act of 2003 (Introduced in House)
HR 163 IH
108th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 163
To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 7, 2003
Mr. RANGEL (for himself, Mr. MCDERMOTT, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. LEWIS of Georgia, Mr. STARK, and Mr. ABERCROMBIE) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Armed Services
Universal National Service Act of 2003 (Introduced in Senate)
S 89 IS
108th CONGRESS
1st Session
S. 89
To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
January 7, 2003
Mr. HOLLINGS introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services